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Asura vs Birusu
Topic Started: Sep 26 2013, 04:45 AM (2,264 Views)
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Asura in his second form and Birusu is/ and able to use 70 - 100% of his power.
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Bills one-shots him

He is only sun level in terms of destruction and durability. Something that High-tiered SSj like Full Power Cell or Super bojack or MSSJ are capable of doing. The only advantages Asura has against them is being FTL in terms of flying speed. But that is not going to help much since they are going to be fighting.

I think Asura is FTL in terms of Fighting speed. But MSSJ is easily MFTL based on BOG base Vegeta dodging lots of laser under gravity easily. Cell dodge the final flash which went out of the solar system and further than the stars in seconds. And these characters are much weaker than MSSJ or higher

But overall, Bills flicks him and he dies

Edited by Super Saiyan 4, Sep 26 2013, 06:47 AM.
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It's not quite that simple though DBZ characters' strength isn't relative to their energy if they can blow up a planet they can't punch one with that same force.

Is Asura's second form when he has 6 arms? I only ever played the demo.


Bills is practically a Saiyan he's pretty desperate to fight someone as strong or stronger than himself so he probably wouldn't wipe out whatever planet they were on so that he could continue the fight, that stupidity(typical DBZ) gives Asura quite the chance of success.
His physical strength doesn't seem to know any limits where DBZ characters does.
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Goku with 1 finger was stopping trunks swords attacks. Which Cut up Full power Mecha Freeza. When a weaker freeza with no Ki and Cut in half survived a large planet explosion yet got cut up into piece by trunks sword. The same sword that Rivaled Goku 1 finger

So they have planet level or higher strikes but its all targeted, its simple. your not going to hurt a planet level guy with mountain or town or city or Continent busting punches since it is super small compared to a planet.

And the difference in power between MSSJ and Yadrat Saga SSJ Goku is hundreds.

Asura Durability is only Star , Which MSSJ has more than Enough power to finish off
Edited by Super Saiyan 4, Sep 26 2013, 12:00 PM.
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Sep 26 2013, 11:14 AM
It's not quite that simple though DBZ characters' strength isn't relative to their energy if they can blow up a planet they can't punch one with that same force.

Is Asura's second form when he has 6 arms? I only ever played the demo.


Bills is practically a Saiyan he's pretty desperate to fight someone as strong or stronger than himself so he probably wouldn't wipe out whatever planet they were on so that he could continue the fight, that stupidity(typical DBZ) gives Asura quite the chance of success.
His physical strength doesn't seem to know any limits where DBZ characters does.
Are you saying Bills physical strength isn't powerful? It shore didn't look like that to me
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Beers strength is powerful, but Beers didn't punch a guy the size of a planet (Gogen Wyzen) so hard the guy literally exploded. Or punch the initial form of the Will of the Planet (Vlitra) so hard that he stopped it. Punch straight through something even larger than Jupiter (In this case it was Destructor Asura but even then, the sheer size difference between Asura and the planet was massive) Assura just punches through it like it was play-doh.

Now at least for the last one, besides being in Destructor Form, he also had all 7 mantras wit hhim.

But let's face it, nobody in the DBZ verse has shown that sheer amount of physical power on their hand.
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I believe he was flying though planets at the end on the movie after eating something hot

And he no Ki left to destroy a planet

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Bill's strength is powerful, but Beers didn't punch a guy the size of a planet (Gogen Wyzen) so hard the guy literally exploded. Or punch the initial form of the Will of the Planet (Vlitra) so hard that he stopped it. Punch straight through something even larger than Jupiter (In this case it was Destructor Asura but even then, the sheer size difference between Asura and the planet was massive) Assura just punches through it like it was play-doh.

Now at least for the last one, besides being in Destructor Form, he also had all 7 mantras wit hhim.

But let's face it, nobody in the DBZ verse has shown that sheer amount of physical power on their hand.


All-Star superman can lift a planet, Yet he didn't even come close to planet level strikes, he was barely punching through bricks. And Goku Moments against trunks prove they have planet level strikes and higher.

They don't have to destroy anything since they not targeting the earth, There are a lot of moments in DBZ proving they have planet level and much higher punches
Edited by Super Saiyan 4, Sep 26 2013, 12:19 PM.
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Base Goku in the Boo Arc could barely lift 40 tons. Their power to destroy planets comes from ki, not their physical strength alone.
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Ki enhances there strength and such. And Because of Ki they can destroy planets with punches. Like Goku putting his Ki into 1 finger to rival trunks sword when he cut a large planet level guy to pieces

There normal physical strength is not big, Unless they amp it with Ki. And having lifting strength doesn't = Punching strength
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Sep 26 2013, 12:26 PM
Ki enhances there strength and such. And Because of Ki they can destroy planets with punches. Like Goku putting his Ki into 1 finger to rival trunks sword when he cut a large planet level guy to pieces

There normal physical strength is not big, Unless they amp it with Ki. And having lifting strength doesn't = Punching strength
Never in the Z fighter's fights have they actually gone through planets......if they could, don't you think they would've already?

Saying they could relies too much on assumption. It's neither stated nor shown through feats.

Sure Future Trunks may be able to cut through Frieza, but one, he was using a sword, something very sharp and two, he was already much greater to begin with. Unless you want to argue Future Trunks' sword is a blunt weapon.
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Sep 26 2013, 12:29 PM
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Ki enhances there strength and such. And Because of Ki they can destroy planets with punches. Like Goku putting his Ki into 1 finger to rival trunks sword when he cut a large planet level guy to pieces

There normal physical strength is not big, Unless they amp it with Ki. And having lifting strength doesn't = Punching strength
Never in the Z fighter's fights have they actually gone through planets......if they could, don't you think they would've already?

Saying they could relies too much on assumption. It's neither stated nor shown through feats.

Sure Future Trunks may be able to cut through Frieza, but one, he was using a sword, something very sharp and two, he was already much greater to begin with. Unless you want to argue Future Trunks' sword is a blunt weapon.
But they don't need to, There are so many character who have planet level strikes in marvel/DC yet they never destroyed a planet. All-star superman is a example since he lifted 400 quantillion tons yet he wasn't even punching at town level.

Trunks is at a much higher level where he is able to cut planet level guys apart. its not the sword, Its the force and power behind the sword. And SSj2 Gohan one-shot Cell jrr with his bare hands, And Cell jr >>>>>> Freeza and Freeza has large planet level durability

Its quite simple

A Planet level kamehameha from a SSj is going to do nothing to a SSj2, But a SSj2 is going to hurt the SSJ2 with a punch

Overall, they have to be punching at that level otherwise, all there durability are planet level meaning Vegeta from saiyan saga can solo all of DBZ with a galic gun. And We both know that is not going to happen
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Assurance is strong but com'on bills is stronger here the guy is MFTL can oneshot a solar system and also he has phisical strenght to destroy a planet for me ^_^
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No real strength feats for Mr Meowmers. Asura destroyed a planet sized monster while lifting his finger, which had the entire arm's weight on it. That had to be a few billion tons.
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Sep 26 2013, 12:21 PM
Base Goku in the Boo Arc could barely lift 40 tons. Their power to destroy planets comes from ki, not their physical strength alone.
Actually, the 40 ton part was using Bukujutstu.

http://thedaoofdragonball.com/blog/martial-arts/bukujutsu-explained/

The whole scene with Goku and the Kais was Bukujutsu with weight training. It can not be with the full extent of Goku's regular Base Power, whom he should have much more easily have lifted the weights if so.

"it’s worth pointing out that it basically says the reason Goku’s weight training in Heaven was so effective was that he used Bukujutsu to float in midair as he used the weights, which made it much harder. Goku’s never shown using Bukujutsu during any of his gravity training on Kaio’s or in the spaceship (at least not in the manga, that I can remember). It also says his image training/meditation was a means to raise his maximum ki, as muscle training has a limit. Toriyama mentioned there being limits to how much training your muscles could do and needing ki to overcome that limit in the book's interview."


Also, 40 tons in Kai's planet is 400 tons.
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Well we can't be sure about Grand Kai's planet gravity my friend it could very well be the same as earths so its an assumption ^_^
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